Corning’s new Apple-like ceramic glass might save your next phone from disaster
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Sounds like you need this phone case:
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fellow human
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yeah the back glass makes little sense for most people. I’m sure my lovely looking iPhone would look no worse in my case with a cheaper and lighter plastic back.
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Ah yes, another year, another miraculous Corning breakthrough destined to finally make shattered screens a thing of the past. I think I’ve been hearing this exact same "revolution in smartphone glass durability" every 2–3 years since the Motorola Droid. Gorilla Glass 1 was going to end screen cracks. So was 2. And 3. And 4. And whatever fusion of animal and material they’re on now.
My iPhone still develops micro-scratches from air and somehow cracks when it falls face up. But hey, maybe this time it'll be different. Maybe
My iPhone still develops micro-scratches from air and somehow cracks when it falls face up. But hey, maybe this time it'll be different. Maybe
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The typical model has been that Apple gets the first run on a new glass technology, and then a year or a few years later everyone else does, in exchange for Apple having front ran some of Corning's development costs to get it first.
Is this basically Ceramic Shield under Corning's marketing name, like Gorilla Glass X was last year's iPhone glass before Ceramic Shield?
Is this basically Ceramic Shield under Corning's marketing name, like Gorilla Glass X was last year's iPhone glass before Ceramic Shield?
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This is something I was thinking about. Back in the "early days" (say 2007-2013)...it seemed like every cell phone in use was cracked, broken, or at least scratched. Then it seem to die down some...and these days it seems to be a rather uncommon problem Now...I fully admit this is my anecdotal opinion, but from my personal observations, I would be highly surprised if the rate was the same or higher today, and I suspect it is much lower.
Also somewhat odd that so many of the people mentioning scratches/cracks are Apple. Is that a marketshare thing or something else?
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Have you tried not putting it in your pocket that also has keys in it?
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Which is what you get in watches, and they can last a lot longer than a phone without scratching. Not sure if it's a dimensions thing.
Depends how far you go back; our wood is still weaker than it used to be (coarser grained) and stick framing is still less than perfect. Also depends if you care more about meeting standards for the first couple decades or for how well it works after a couple centuries.
A lot of us just got used to using silicone cases from day 1, or whichever solution we chose. But thinking back as long as they've been around, I think it's always been a higher percentage of iphones cracked than other smart phones.
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That's not Eddie Murphy
But yeah that'd be nice as a theory but in practice I'm not that organized. I just throw shit in a pocket
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Train yourself to put the phone in the same pocket every time, and other stuff in the other pocket. Do it 100 times in a row. The savings from damaged screens will last a lifetime.That's not Eddie Murphy
But yeah that'd be nice as a theory but in practice I'm not that organized. I just throw shit in a pocket
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Pebbles are the phone screens kryptonite.
I feel we pretty much hit a plateau with glass screens on phones, if we make them any harder they just shatter, if we make them softer they scratch.
The only thing I'm seeing is making it way harder (eg. sapphire glass hard) but I'm not sure if that's feasible for phones.
Gorilla Glass Victus 2 has a hardness of around 670 HV 0.2 while sapphire glass is around 2000 HV.
Not a glass expert though, I mostly deal with steel.
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Translation: We don't cover the damage we know WILL happen, only the damage that we know almost surely won't happen.
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Yup. I figured this out about 20 years ago. Made it a habit, and stuck with it.
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Drop table users;
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I dont know about that, they cover theft and other weird things, and you will never get to me speak ill of Apple.
I once went to get a battery replaced on a long out of warranty 8s Plus, they didn't have the battery in stock so they gave me a new ( or I assume refurbished 8s plus) for free
Their support has been good enough that I won't bad mouth them for typical corporate shenanigans.
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...and due to the metal mesh behind the plaster, plaster walls eat WiFi for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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Drop table users;
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I dont know man, I left my 15 Pro on top of my car and drove off. I came back to a phone that only had a few scratches after skittering off the top of my car onto asphalt and being run over.
My personal experience has been that phone screens are in fact getting better. I dont think we'll ever be able to get rid of scratches but the different between phone screens today and 10 years ago is night and day.
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...and I try to cushion the fall with my foot, but end up drop-kicking it across the parking lot instead. How does Corning test for that?
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Fair, but I should mention I'm also old and lazy. It's not that big of a deal to me.
I'd be willing to consider a sapphire display phone if we get to the point where phones stop advancing in ways I give a shit about and I'd be keeping it long term.
I beat the shit out of my Apple Watch with a sapphire crystal and it's no worse for wear.
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Corning sold off its consumer products division (that made CorningWare, Visions, Corelle, and Pyrex kitchenware) just under 30 years ago. They’ve been only commercial/industrial since. And they’ve been ”tech” (if perhaps not a giant) for over 100 years (including making the Mt Polomar observatory mirror blank over 90 years ago).
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And apparently the EU doesn’t like these exclusives and is investing Corning for antitrust violations.
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That’s why my phones are never without a screen protector. They also get scratched, but at 3 for $8 for a top quality tempered glass protector, it’s not a big deal to swap them out every couple of months.
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IIUC, the point of ceramic glass is that there are islands of hard bits separated by more flexible bits. The hard bits are still close enough together to make scratching difficult. The more flexible bits in between allow flexing under impact.
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Fun fact: the camera lenses on most phones are synthetic sapphire. It's very hard, and scratches will destroy a lens quickly. It's pretty brittle stuff, though, so glass is still a better option for the display.
For a while, I was strongly anti-case: the phones are thinner and sleeker without anything on them, and I would argue that I'm neither clumsy nor poor so I don't need a case. Turns out that I actually am pretty clumsy, and if I kept having to replace thousand-dollar phones, I'd become poor, so I just started putting everything in Smartish cases and haven't had a damaged display in seven years.
For a while, I was strongly anti-case: the phones are thinner and sleeker without anything on them, and I would argue that I'm neither clumsy nor poor so I don't need a case. Turns out that I actually am pretty clumsy, and if I kept having to replace thousand-dollar phones, I'd become poor, so I just started putting everything in Smartish cases and haven't had a damaged display in seven years.
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XSportSeeker
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You know, I don't really wanna take merit away from Corning because they do a really good job with the glass panels and all, it's hard work, and people working there deserves the recognition...
It's just that 2 decades of the same ad piece gets kinda tiring, you know?
What has always "saved me from disaster" is a screen protector and case. And then, of course, taking good care of smartphones and electronics in general.
Glass chemistry, or material engineering for this type of stuff, will always have to strike a balance between hardness and toughness. The unfortunate thing for clumsy people is that you are always putting your glass devices through stresses that ranges from the extremes of one to another.
There's only so much you can do through chemistry, so unless Corning comes out with some transparent metal thing that would be revolutionary not only for smartphone screens but to everything else that uses glass, the differences won't be all that much perceptible, save for anecdotal evidence, which there seems to always be plenty every time something like this is announced.
It's just that 2 decades of the same ad piece gets kinda tiring, you know?
What has always "saved me from disaster" is a screen protector and case. And then, of course, taking good care of smartphones and electronics in general.
Glass chemistry, or material engineering for this type of stuff, will always have to strike a balance between hardness and toughness. The unfortunate thing for clumsy people is that you are always putting your glass devices through stresses that ranges from the extremes of one to another.
There's only so much you can do through chemistry, so unless Corning comes out with some transparent metal thing that would be revolutionary not only for smartphone screens but to everything else that uses glass, the differences won't be all that much perceptible, save for anecdotal evidence, which there seems to always be plenty every time something like this is announced.
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I dunno. My last phone was $1800 CAD. I'm ok with paying that but the phone is getting a tempered glass screen protector. They don't work well with matte screens so I prefer smooth and optically sharp, thank you.
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Same thing here - hip holster for me. Great protection (I HATE having anymore more than wallet/keys in my pockets!), super safe (I used to have a company phone, with very little chance at replacement - it was a major deal when I accidentally dropped it after 4-5 years and had to take a used one). Plus, if there's anything to the radiation thing, well.. it's a bit further from my jiggly bits.
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Scratches are one thing, but the real game changer would be when you drop a phone, and it lands on the corner. The energy from that impact needs to somehow be absorbed.
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Plaster is NOT Portland cement. It used to be calcium hydroxide lime and now it's calcium sulphate just like the inside of dri wall
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A lot of screens are plastic underneath, they're just laminated to the glass
This dramatically boosts strength, clarity, brightness, and sensitivity to touch
Consumers voted overwhelmingly against plastic (resistive) screens decades ago
Plastic backs however were a manufacturer-led "solution"
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Knife?? You mean knives, I put my stabbing knife left front, and my slashing knife right front, like all good people.
WTH.
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They probably used a surface with more precisely defined properties. Asphalt properties vary a lot depending on many fabrication variables (And most scientists are not expert in its application). So, they probably looked up it's hardness, roughness, etc. parameters and then bought a pre-made surface with similar values.
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Since you're ranting, I'll be that person...
Earthquakes up to about MM7 will not typically topple an older wood framed house, even with heavy concrete tile roofs. That's without sheet bracing of any kind - just lathe and plaster interiors and weatherboard exteriors. "Shaking-induced structural damage was almost always very minor." BRANZ report on 2010 Canterbury earthquake. That's including many houses built since 1900. Similar performance seen with the later MM6.2 quake almost directly under Christchurch. Yes damage, and lots of it, but no, not toppling or falling over.
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Thirty years ago, Corning was already a tech giant. They developed the low loss fiber that made optical fiber communications possible. Corning SMF-28 was the industry standard single mode fiber (the only optical fiber type I still remember by name). Apparently, they also developed and produced the glass for Edison lightbulbs. And many other technological glass products in between.
The consumer kitchenware was the sideline business. Which they sold over 20 years ago.
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