Exactly! You are proving my point. I'm not blaming society, I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just trying to point out the democrats social programs have not worked and will not work. We can debate all day why. That is not my goal. I'm trying to convince the democrat liberals to stop and desist, trying to help. It is only making it worse. What burns my butt besides a 20" campfire, is the democrats KNOW their welfare programs are not helping, only making it worse and they continue them. How can you in good conscience condone that?

 

I am in favor of efforts to reduce economic inequality, but I think they should be made without consideration of race or sex. In addition, we should distinguish between what Karl Marx called the proletariat, and what he called the lumpen proletariat. That is to say, between the working class and the under class.

I believe that the working poor, of all races, are the salt of the earth. Because they are more likely to be victims of criminals, they are more in need of an effective, which is to say a harsh, criminal justice system.

 

What the hell was that? Have you been drinking ?

 

No, but it seems that you have been, if that is all you can say in response to my comment.

 

So instead of lambasting every effort that has been made, and continually blaming Backs for the failiures, why not use some of your self-praised intelligence to think of ways to achieve what you desire.

 

During the presidential election of 1964 Lyndon Johnson won 61 percent of the vote. Democrats won two one majorities in both houses of Congress. This was a reflection of high trust in the government. A survey at the time revealed that 74 percent of the American people trusted the government to do the right thing always, or most of the time. In 2013 that had declined to 19 percent.

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The consensus in 1964 was that the federal government, under the leadership of the Democratic Party had ended the Great Depression, won the Second World War, and was managing an economy in which most Americans got pay raises every year that beat inflation.

There are a number of reasons for the decline in confidence in the government. Liberals would like to blame the War in Vietnam, and the Watergate Scandal. However, for most Americans these are old history.

I believe a major reason has been the failure of the civil rights acts passed in 1964, 1965, and 1968, and the War on Poverty, begun in 1964, to improve the behavior and performance of blacks. From 1964 to 1968 there were five years of black ghetto rioting in the United States. These got worse every year, until the inauguration of Richard Nixon in 1969. White voters noticed that the black ghetto riots ended abruptly when Nixon became president. White voters rewarded Nixon with a landslide reelection victory in 1972.

Far from improving the behavior of blacks, the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty has been followed by substantial increases in black crime and illegitimacy. Black academic performance has hardly improved at all. As black performance worsened, liberal Democrats forced whites to make sacrifices on behalf of blacks with forced school busing, and affirmative action policies. The same affluent white liberals responsible for forced school busing sent their children to all white or nearly all white private schools if the alternative was a public school with a large black student population.

These sacrifices fell mainly on the white working class, which had been a staunch Democratic constituency. Now most white blue collar workers distrust the federal government on racial matters. They see the government as the organization that uses their tax money to fund welfare checks for the same blacks who threaten them with crime.

 

D.L.

Your response to my post clearly demonstrates what others have known for a long time; your total lack of understanding and comprehension skills.

You were asked for your ways on how to achieve what you desire but, yet again, you post information about failed incentives. It is as if you have absolutely NO idea on how the situation can be changed, so you just fall back on the easiest thing possible, which is to simply blame the Blacks.

While it is true that the Blacks have a higher homicide rate than most other races and you repeatedly post information to show this. People also have to consider the other factors involved, of which you DO NOT post. Mainly the omission from the figures for the rates of murder/suicide or assisted suicide, as both of these scenarios can be used as murder.

While you also post information as regarding the low homicide rate of the Orientals, you should also consider that these people have possiby the two most violent and widespread criminal networks in the world, also that these networks have been successfully operating for over 200 years because of the anonimity amongst the members and that the vast amount of their criminal acts are not reported due to the fear of reprisals.

 

As long as the Democratic Party continues to support affirmative action, forced school busing, a milder criminal justice system, and fewer restrictions on immigration, it cannot win the support of most lower income whites. Democrats need to understand that lower income whites have legitimate reasons to oppose those policies.

As you may have noticed, I admire Franklin Roosevelt. During his administration most blacks lived in the South, and in border states, where they were denied equal rights. These denials were in obvious violations of the Fourteenth and the Fifteenth amendments. They were also in the interests of the white race, and the Democratic Party. The New Deal was popular in the South among the same people who later opposed the civil rights movement, and left the Democratic Party to support Strom Thurmond and George Wallace.

 

The way to stop all of the race problems we have in the U.S. is very simple.
Treat every one equally. No more affirmative action, no more minority preference, no special treatment for anyone.
Jobs should go to the best qualified no matter the race of the person.
Everyone wants to be treated equally. Now is the time to start.
No hate crimes, no discrimination, people should be allowed to state their opinion without fear of a lawsuit or arrest.

As long as anyone is given preference over another we will have problems. We need to stop the insanity.

 

I agree with this, with one caveat. I am in favor of race profiling. Most violent crimes are committed by males between the ages of fifteen and thirty. Blacks have a rate of violent crime that is over seven times the white rate. Therefore, the police should scrutinize the behavior of young black males more vigorously than the behavior of other people. This scrutiny should include stopping and frisking them with or without reason to suspect them of criminal behavior. With young black men it is better to be safe than sorry.

 

What are these networks? Name them? Document your assertions that they are so dangerous.

I know from personal experience and reading that Orientals are the model minority. They are wonderful people.

 

Sorry D.L., I guess we are so far apart in our thinking when you say things I'm sometimes astounded. Like your opinion of the poor. The salt of the earth? Really? My take on the poor here in our country, which is the only thing I discuss, what happens here, is being poor is only temporary. I was poor, all my siblings were poor. We received a good education and we all became successful, productive, patriotic citizens. That is my hope for all poor here. If you are sickly or disabled either the government takes care of you or your family does. In either case I would not refer to you as poor. I've read with all the social programs available a family of four receiving them has a spendable income of 60,000. I would not call a after tax income of 60,000 poor. Every citizen is entitled to a free primary education. Whether or not they take advantage of it is their prerogative.

 

Are you so ignorant to world affairs that you have NOT heard of the "Triad" criminal network and society of China, or even the "Yakuza" criminal network and society of Japan. Both of these organisations have been operational for over 200 years and are still operational

Maybe you should do some research before posting again.

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Triads are also active in other regions with significant overseas Chinese populations: Macau, Taiwan, Hong Kong Triads and countries such as the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, Peru and Argentina. They are often involved in helping immigrants enter countries illegally. Shanty & Mishra (2007) estimate that annual profits from narcotics is $200 billion; revenues from human trafficking into Europe and the United States are believed to amount to $3.5 billion per year

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Yakuza activity in the United States is mostly relegated to Hawaii, but they have made their presence known in other parts of the country, especially in Los Angeles and the Bay Area, as well as Fresno, Raleigh, Houston, Oregon, Denver, Chicago, and New York City.[SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP] The Yakuza are said to use Hawaii as a midway station between Japan and mainland America, smuggling methamphetamine into the country and smuggling firearms back to Japan. They easily fit into the local population, since many tourists from Japan and other Asian countries visit the islands on a regular basis, and there is a large population of residents who are of full or partial Japanese descent. They also work with local gangs, funneling Japanese tourists to gambling parlors and brothels

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What matters is that Orientals have a lower crime rate than whites, who have a lower crime rate than Hispanics, who have a lower crime rate than blacks.

 

What is completely un-comprehendable is that you believe these figures and treat them as a standard, where everyone else understands and accepts them ONLY to be guide-lines because of the anomalies that have ben mentioned. It has already been stated that Oriental crime figures are low due to the fact that crimes relating to Triad or Yakuza involvement do not get reported.

Keep posting your beliefs and we will all keep laughing AT you.

 

Racial profiling is a step backwards because it has been proven to have flaws and easy to manipulate.

Biggest proof of this is the 9/11 catastrophe, where it has been made public that a ticket agent (Michal Tuohey) could have prevented some of the terrorists from boarding their aircraft, but because they were NOT black and acted in a businessman like manner, he let them go.

See from aprox 2:50 until 4:04 of the documentary.

The documentary is titled "inside 9/11 Zero Hour."

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According to the 2010 U.S. Census, in the United States, 62.6% are white non Hispanic, 13.2% are black, and 5.3% are Asian.

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"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites,"
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According to my calculations, whites have a murder rate that is 1.76 times the Asian crime rate. Blacks have a murder rate that is 9.70 times the Asian crime rate.

The term "Asian" combines Polynesians and Filipinos with those I consider to be Oriental. When I use the term "Oriental" I mean Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Vietnamese. I am confident that Orientals have a lower crime rate than Polynesians and Philipinos, although those statistics are not available from the websites I have looked at.

When inquiring into how the races differ by crime rate one runs into a number of difficulties. Hispanics are sometimes listed as white. "Asian" often includes Mongoloids and Caucasians. The motives of those who calculate more precisely into how the races differ by crime rate are often suspected. These people are often considered to be "racist," so their calculations, however accurate, are often dismissed by those who look for any excuse to deny the obvious fact that people of some races are safer to be around than people of other races.

There are effective taboos and sanctions against delving into how the races differ by important criteria, and more effective taboos and sanctions into finding biological reasons for the differences. Those who push against the restrictions of political correctness can be pushed out of their careers. Powerful people do not want to know the truth about this topic. They do not want others to know.

 

It isn't a matter of race. It is a matter of numbers.
People can count.
In many areas certain breeds of dogs are not allowed. In many areas certain animals are not allowed.
This isn't because people are racist to certain breeds of dogs or species of animals.
In some areas guns are not allowed. In some areas certain types of vehicles are not allowed.
People seem to be alright with all of this.
People seem to realize a pit bull is more dangerous than a beagle. The numbers back this up.
People seem to realize a tiger is more dangerous than a house cat. The numbers back that up.
Black people are more dangerous than white people. The numbers back that up.
It is time people face the facts. You can think anything you want to about it being called racist.
I see it as looking at facts and accepting the truth.

 

Keep posting your "facts" BUT until you accept that the figures are misleading and can be manipulated, then people will still laugh AT you because you are the only person who takes them as 100% accurate.

 

Well, lets see. We're gonna talk genetics here, so we gotta talk long range. Can't change the old DNA in a couple generations after all.

From 1500 to 2000 Orientals killed over 10 Million innocent people. We ain't talking war deaths, we're talking rape and plunder deaths that did nothing to further their goals. We're talking the Chinese in Tibet, and the Japanese in Nanking, and the Vietnamese and Pol Pot and Cambodia.

From 1500 to 2000 the Germans killed 6 Million Jews and a couple million Russians. We ain't even talking war crimes in WWI or WWII that could be marginally related to military action.

From 1500 to 2000 Whites have killed less than 2 Million. And to get there you have to make some pretty big assumptions about British Colonialism.

From 1500 to 2000 Hispanics have killed 3 Million. We're counting the Aztecs and Indians here.

From 1500 to 2000 Blacks have killed less than 1 Million. Including the Boor wars and various African revolutions.

Your Oriental has been a world class blood thirsty ravaging brute for most of history.

Now of course, you can look just at crime rates in the US, as suspect as they are concerning race, or hell, you can look at world crime rates in the last century, as really suspect as they are, or you can just look at African crime rates, where, you know, 80% of the population is black, and conclude that them

NIGGERS IS VIOLENT AND STUPID

Or you can take your cherry picked "facts" throw in some twisted "Logic" and try to convince the world that

NIGGERS IS VIOLENT AND STUPID

And just to make sure no one tries to address the problem of crime you can cook up your "facts" and "Logic" into a book that makes the case that all them darkie attitudes is genetic and that nothing we can do for it but put them back on the plantation and in chains and call it the Bell Curve Thingy.

And if you're particularly frisky you can come up with a bunch more "facts" to show how helping them darkies is just a waste of money, cause we all know there's never been a failed government handout program before we, in the kindness of our hearts, tried to help them dumbass niggers.

And never mind that what with genetic mapping and all, we've discovered that the genetic difference between blacks and whites is about 0.01% and that all of us..........every one of us.........can be traced back to 4 societies, all of them (gasp) from Africa or the mid east, and that every last one of us has the same DNA string as them darkies in Africa. I mean, lets not get science in the way of our master race theory!

And then you can evade serious debate about the erroneous "facts" and twisted "logic", claim to be the victim of oppression because "they" don't want your "truths" to come out, and when push comes to shove, exclaim that "their" arguements are "silly". And, if all else fails, you can just run away.

And if you are delusional you can loudly proclaim yourself to be the Master of Facts, even though everyone knows that really you're anything but.